Comments on: The Lost Virtue of Temperance – When Vices Are Good For You http://yaholo.net/christian-mysticism/the-lost-virtue-of-temperance-when-vices-are-good-for-you/ "For those who are seeking truth, want to experience God, pondering the meaning of life, and wonder why hot dogs come in packs of ten but the buns in packs of eight." - Yaholo, The Practical Mystic. Sat, 21 Jan 2012 05:21:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: soma http://yaholo.net/christian-mysticism/the-lost-virtue-of-temperance-when-vices-are-good-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-158 soma Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:45:33 +0000 http://yaholo.net/?p=288#comment-158 Thank you for a great article on Christian Mysticism. Thank you for a great article on Christian Mysticism.

]]> By: Sean http://yaholo.net/christian-mysticism/the-lost-virtue-of-temperance-when-vices-are-good-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Sean Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:29:23 +0000 http://yaholo.net/?p=288#comment-157 Wow, great post. I love the way you put that. I don't think many people understand this they way you do. Sometimes its hard to explain the difference between enjoying something and being addicted, some people believe that if you want something (like a cigar) or a regular basis, then its an addiction. Of course you didn't address regularity here, which is where the most debate stems. To one person, a beer a week is too much, to another, a glass of wine a night is a minimum. Of course it is possible to let your enjoyment get away from you. I've seen people able to enjoy something in complete moderation hit some bad times and loose control, likewise, some people find that slowing down their frequency lends to greater enjoyment. Personally, I think moderation IS an extreme. And that you can't have too much of a good thing- or else it would be called a bad thing. I think the Franklin quote is just to say God wants us to enjoy life. Overuse of a substance can hinder enjoying life. But is also possible that underuse of a substance can hinder that too. I don't believe that suffering is holiness, but to some Christians its part of their doctrine. I'm not a Catholic by demoniation, but sometimes I do wish "legalism" was one of the seven deadly sins. Wow, great post. I love the way you put that. I don’t think many people understand this they way you do. Sometimes its hard to explain the difference between enjoying something and being addicted, some people believe that if you want something (like a cigar) or a regular basis, then its an addiction. Of course you didn’t address regularity here, which is where the most debate stems. To one person, a beer a week is too much, to another, a glass of wine a night is a minimum.

Of course it is possible to let your enjoyment get away from you. I’ve seen people able to enjoy something in complete moderation hit some bad times and loose control, likewise, some people find that slowing down their frequency lends to greater enjoyment.

Personally, I think moderation IS an extreme. And that you can’t have too much of a good thing- or else it would be called a bad thing. I think the Franklin quote is just to say God wants us to enjoy life. Overuse of a substance can hinder enjoying life. But is also possible that underuse of a substance can hinder that too. I don’t believe that suffering is holiness, but to some Christians its part of their doctrine.

I’m not a Catholic by demoniation, but sometimes I do wish “legalism” was one of the seven deadly sins.

]]> By: Yaholo http://yaholo.net/christian-mysticism/the-lost-virtue-of-temperance-when-vices-are-good-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-151 Yaholo Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:21:18 +0000 http://yaholo.net/?p=288#comment-151 @John Great addendum! Thank you! @John

Great addendum! Thank you!

]]> By: John http://yaholo.net/christian-mysticism/the-lost-virtue-of-temperance-when-vices-are-good-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-150 John Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:51:20 +0000 http://yaholo.net/?p=288#comment-150 Just a little correction on the Franklin quote: "Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine, a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy." It's easy to paraphrase it as "wine is proof that God loves us" and you could move to the beer paraphrase you cite from that. I feel that it leaves a lot out of the picture though, as Franklin was addressing the entire process with a holistic view. Either way, good message. Cheers. Just a little correction on the Franklin quote:

“Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine, a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.”

It’s easy to paraphrase it as “wine is proof that God loves us” and you could move to the beer paraphrase you cite from that. I feel that it leaves a lot out of the picture though, as Franklin was addressing the entire process with a holistic view.

Either way, good message. Cheers.

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