I have come to see, that any disregard for/or attempts to circumvent God’s will- AKA the consequences of our own actions, or that of others upon us (the intentional or unintentional) is a “sin” (unhealthy). It is like skipping school, “Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.00”. It is working to remain ignorant and/or untouched (so as to claim in the future; “I did not know”). Thus, why most kids (1-101 yrs old); prefer a quick spank to a lecture. In this way they can remain rebellious, angry, and ignorant and continue along their self-serving, self-gratifying little way.

All the issues, contraception, abortion, when life begins, rights, circumstances- these are distractions/illusions (in my humble opinion).

There is one issue- living a natural life of following and accepting God’s ways, teachings, will, and plan for our life… or not.

The only reason for the need/demand and expense of “health-care” is to attempt to intercede (prior to knowing the outcome) to PREVENT (circumvent) God’s will, thereby showing our complete lack of faith, and preventing His moving in any profound way in our lives… unless He switches to “Plan B”… i.e. modern medicine does not help you, but makes you worse and the doctors leave you for dead…. so that you have to look to Him and let Him move in a profound way in your life for all to see. LOL!! Been there, done that!

Yes, His plan may include rape, sadistic abuse, betrayal, cancer, divorce, AIDS, flood, famine, fire, war, death, poverty… and with Him these “misfortunes/curses” can be miraculously turned to blessings for the recipient and for others who are affected by the event or the recipient’s life/actions thereafter. If living a “Godly” life were easy and filled only with earthly delights, ‘Satan” would have been out-of business centuries ago. The draw of a worldly life need not be wealth and fame, but simple comfort and security and a “sense” of control.

We all have free will and the “right” to not follow God’s wisdom, to not live up to our potential via avoiding the consequences, the hard lessons and work; and thereby avoid a deeply rewarding life. One CANNOT know and appreciate true JOY without pain and suffering. Hence, why the mystics/saints of every great religion were willing to embrace and cherished their suffering. It brings us deep into God’s love and caring for us, by which we come to know and share His caring for humanity.

This kind of meaning and purpose cannot be had through an easy, comfortable, well managed “modern” life, where we are “controlling” events; but acting as sheep following a master who is himself lost and without meaning and purpose.

It is a natural part of life that evil and/or unfortunate circumstances befall us- if we embrace those circumstances, and seek God’s guidance, and to understand His purpose- we grow to fulfill our purpose here on earth and step into what lies beyond. Like childbirth itself- unbearably painful and ecstatically joyful!

All other living pales in comparison and is a mere partial existence…

“Unwanted” babies have in many cases turned into great blessings for the parent(s) who did not want them , or the parents who adopted them, or born into homes unwanted, abused, grew up (because of their trials) to achieve great things and/or be great blessings in the lives of others. We puny humans have such a limited view, such a short time here on earth, unless we do seek God and to understand deeply His ways and purposes we cannot imagine the long-term effects of what is ‘visited” upon us or our own actions. What if Jesus, Gandhi, or your mother had been an unwanted and “legally terminated” pregnancy, and terminated???

Upon turning from my well managed worldly life, to follow His path for me, I have been dealt continuous “misfortune” illness, unemployment, isolation, debt, and 9 years of what any American would call misery and hell on earth. And 9 years of miraculous healing, windfalls, kindness from friends and strangers, deep relationship, teaching and consolation from God and His constant and abiding love. Al this as he removed that which does not serve and prepares me for my purpose/what is to come.

He promised me a life of comfort and ease. He has comforted me and eased my way… NOTHING compares… and “it ain’t over ‘til it’s over”… and then… it is not over.

Had abortion been legal, I would most certainly not be here. My parents lives woudl have been less inconvienced, and most certainly I, myself, could have been spared a great deal of pain.. but what would have been the affects on others???

Frank Capra was right.. “It’s A Wonderful Life”, George Bailey.

Thank you.

The reasons I believe abortion to be wrong are, again, discussed in this article as well as my first response. The cultural implications of abortion, contraception, genetic engineering, etc., are and will be disastrous.

In an atheistic world there is no reason to put the needs of the unborn, the weak, the old, or the helpless over the strong and the capable. They are just obstacles in the way of our “happiness”. But in a world with God, looking from a Christ-centered perspective, then it is the strong and the capable that work to protect and help the weak, the old, the helpless, and the unborn.

As far as the “is it a fetus or a human” debate… I go with Dr. Seuss on that one in saying “A person is a person, no matter how small.”

The right to an abortion stands, independant of our respective views. “Do you support her legal right to an abortion” might be a better way of saying it perhaps…

I personally support her right to an abortion, in these and other circumstances also. In my opinion, the rights of a foetus, should never be given priority over the rights of an adult woman.

We can agree to disagree and move on…

or…we can continue this here or an alternative venue…

Is your position underpinned by this…?

Code of Canon Law (1983): “A person who actually procures an abortion incurs automatic excommunication” (Canon 1398).

Part of the problem with your question is that it is what we call in debate a “loaded question”. To ask “Do you support her right…” means that you have already made the assumption that abortion is a right. It is like asking someone “do you cheat on your wife at home or wait till you are at work?”, when whichever way I answer I am admitting to cheating on my wife.

You phrased your question in such a way that I am saying “No, I don’t support her right.” or “yes, I support abortion”. Do you think abortion is a right? If you think abortion is a right, then it is always ok. If abortion is not a right, then we can talk about “hypothetical”.

In the second paragraph, you make a claim about what morality is, and I take no issue with this claim.

In paragraph 3, you make some startling claims…

This one in particular left me staring at the screen…

YAHOLO SAYS: What mother wouldn’t give their life for their child, even if there is no promise of saving the child?

Can you clarify what you mean by that statement, and I will then evaluate if it needs a rebuttal? Thank you.

Despite your clear avoidance of my question, which is a simple one, I cannot help but pose it again. Will you answer, or will you tie things in knots, by claiming *you* don’t want to go in circles?

SEEKER OF TRUTH ASKS: Hypothetically……………A woman becomes pregnant after being gang raped. Do you support her right to choose an abortion in these circumstances?